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Procedure and Substance

Can it be said that the postmodern(?) world we lived in today can be characterized by a devotion to / faith in procedure, rather than a search for absolutes and Truth?American legal studies have...

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Oddly enough, this ties strongly in with the McDonaldisation thread just below (at least for now) -- for there is perhaps no single aspect which embodies the essence of McDonaldisation better than the...

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LOLI blame ISO9000.Corp. gives us this nifty new state of the art software 'tool' to make our work easier and more efficient.Cool.Then they take 4 months writing and rewriting proceedures, workflows,...

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Rhui, I'm not sure that "procedural" and "organic" are necessarily different. I would argue that the kinds of procedures you've been saddled with are the empty procedures, the kind that resembles Max...

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Quote: Still, as a political matter, doesn't procedure make you feel safer than substance? Government doesn't force religion upon you, but rather sets the rules for how religions can "compete"?We...

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In legal studies, your position Kyle is that of the legal realists. It's also the stuff of postmodernists / deconstructionists.If I can rephrase, then:Are the chances of true freedom / neutrality...

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And the assumption of that goal is ...?First, if in fact your implied goal is that of "true freedom/neutrality", I would have to question the goal itself: having yet to see the system which actually...

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..."procedural" and "organic" are necessarily different. I would argue that the kinds of procedures you've been saddled with are the empty procedures, the kind that resembles Max Weber's "iron cage"...

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Quote: IT wants to control it, but they have no knowledge of what the content should be so we delegate the appropriate people to write the content standard and then IT tells us who can and can not add...

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I suddenly wonder:Is the base question really any different than asking which is most important in determining morality: ends, means, or intent?

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You pulled that straight out of that philosophy quiz, didn't you Kyle? ;)Actually, yes, that is a good way to frame the question, much like the way one of my professors set up the difference between...

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Actually I pulled it out of about how many debates we have had about living vs. unifying Force? -- although I will admit the quiz brought it back to mind.The (Mahayana) Buddhism upon which the Jedi...

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Come to think of it, the "procedure/substance" perceived polarity also has relevance for the communication vs. information split about the Internet, especially in its potential "means/end" parallel.I...

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